![]() PM: I think active counterprotesting in itself is super-brave, especially mobilizing for ideas that are restrictive of human rights. TV: Do you feel there’s a sense of disillusionment from young people about protesting? ![]() But some of the most inspiring things about Birds Aren’t Real are from people who aren’t even directly affiliated. With Birds Aren’t Real, we do have a movement side of it - the Bird Brigade, with local chapters around the United States. Calling it a movement is almost a too centralized way of putting it, because people tap into this idea who aren’t directly affiliated with us. ![]() PM: If I had to break it down, Birds Aren’t Real is an idea that people can tap into in the form of a movement and mobilize in real life an immersive role-play experience that’s an effective diffusion tactic for counterprotesting. TV: On the Birds Aren't Real website, you call it a movement, but in many ways, the way you describe it, it sounds like a community. Comedy is a tool for processing, and it’s a necessary tool right now, when we’re living in unprecedented times with no blueprint for how to go about it. It’s almost role-playing Darth Vader and laughing at it rather than being scared about it. If you’re on the internet, everyone sort of knows about the fringe conspiracy theorist, one of the most fascinating tragic characters in America. That dynamic is at its most effective when we are out in front of CNN or Twitter, counterprotesting, everyone playing the same archetype of this character. It makes it fascinating for rallies, when we mobilize in real life and role-play. The internet is sort of a whole new world and a whole new language.Ī lot of older people, understandably, don’t immediately see what Birds Aren’t Real means. It has a lot to do with the context of comedy and a sense for the internet. When it comes to Birds Aren’t Real, there’s an intuitive understanding of what we are doing with Gen Z or people my age. Peter McIndoe: I think comedy as an art form has progressed so rapidly. Teen Vogue: In the conversation at the Global Fact 9 conference, you said that Gen Z gets Birds Aren’t Real right away, whereas the older generation “very much does not.” Why do you think that is?
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